| Entrada Property Owners Association |
Road Committee
| Chair: Phil Bridgeford |
| e-mail: roads@entradapoa.org |
| Phone: 578-9069 |
| Vice Chair: J. Terrible |
| e-mail: rojoter@msn.com |
| Phone: 401-3745 |
| ACTIVE Members |
| John Averill |
| Kelly Dunn |
| Stephanie Dunn |
| Charles Grier |
| Al Karsch |
| Beverly Karsch |
| Catherine Mittendorf |
| Chris Nicholson |
| Steve Brown |
| Roxanne Terrible |
| Terry VanVorce |
| Jeff Davis |
Table of Contents
1. Meeting Announcements
2. Volunteers to Help Grade Roads
3. What have we been doing?
4. Washboard Roads: Why Do They Happen?
5. When is the next grading?
1. Meeting Announcements
2. Volunteers to Help Grade Roads
3. What have we been doing?
4. Washboard Roads: Why Do They Happen?
5. When is the next grading?
Meeting Announcements
Answer: The meeting of the Road Committee was held on January 14.
For directions, call Joe Terrible at 401-3745.
ALL ARE WELCOME AT THESE AND ANY OTHER ROAD COMMITTEE MEETINGS!
Volunteers needed to Help with road projects !
With fuel costs escalating and residents' concern over the short-term benefits of our
six yearly contract road gradings, the Entrada Road Committee members have spent
much time and effort this year looking into alternatives. Their conclusion, which they
have presented to the Board for approval, is that it is cost effective for Entrada to rent
the grader, water truck, and pneumatic roller and to have qualified Entrada volunteers
do the actual work. The Board approved their proposal.
six yearly contract road gradings, the Entrada Road Committee members have spent
much time and effort this year looking into alternatives. Their conclusion, which they
have presented to the Board for approval, is that it is cost effective for Entrada to rent
the grader, water truck, and pneumatic roller and to have qualified Entrada volunteers
do the actual work. The Board approved their proposal.
But they need all the help they can get! If you have a few hours free during any or all
of those days, extra rakes, shovels, and traffic control people are very much
needed. Please give our Road Committee Chair, Phil Bridgeford, a call at
404-9555, or e-mail him at: roads@entradapoa.org. Let's make this volunteer effort
work!
of those days, extra rakes, shovels, and traffic control people are very much
needed. Please give our Road Committee Chair, Phil Bridgeford, a call at
404-9555, or e-mail him at: roads@entradapoa.org. Let's make this volunteer effort
work!
What have we been doing?
2008 was been an exciting year for the Road Committee and 2009 promises more of the
same. For the first time in many years, we have had a committed group of people
involved that has met at least monthly, has worked well together, and has made major
strides forward in our efforts to meet the challenges of our roads.
same. For the first time in many years, we have had a committed group of people
involved that has met at least monthly, has worked well together, and has made major
strides forward in our efforts to meet the challenges of our roads.
Repaired numerous road problems caused by monsoon rains,
Washboard Roads: Why Do They Happen?
Answer: The following article was submitted by Road Committee member Dave
Duncan
Duncan
When I joined the road committee, I was mainly upset at the condition of the
washboard parts of Wilmot. I was irritated at the bone-rattling ride to work every
morning. When I was challenged not to whine but to join the road committee, I did
so and then began my education. As an engineer, (mechanical not civil) I had very
little knowledge of roads and their maintenance. My first couple of meetings led me
to understand that I knew nothing and rather than embarrass myself, I began to
study and learn about road maintenance. What I found out was there are a lot of
opinions and tribal knowledge that everyone is ready to share with you, but it is not
rooted in fact at all. This incorrect information not only came from novices like
myself, it came from professionals with road crews from the county, heavy
equipment operators, professionals from the transportation department. As I dug in
more and began to use books, the Internet, and meetings with road maintenance
professionals, I found out that I was one cause of washboards. I drive a small
compact truck with small tires. I found out that washboarding is caused mostly by
vehicles like mine with small tires and light suspensions. A greater contribution is
speed. I don’t contribute this way as I keep my speed below 25. High speed
increases both tire force and bouncing. Fast moving vehicles, therefore, quicken
the formation of corrugations (technical term for washboarding) and increase their
depth.
washboard parts of Wilmot. I was irritated at the bone-rattling ride to work every
morning. When I was challenged not to whine but to join the road committee, I did
so and then began my education. As an engineer, (mechanical not civil) I had very
little knowledge of roads and their maintenance. My first couple of meetings led me
to understand that I knew nothing and rather than embarrass myself, I began to
study and learn about road maintenance. What I found out was there are a lot of
opinions and tribal knowledge that everyone is ready to share with you, but it is not
rooted in fact at all. This incorrect information not only came from novices like
myself, it came from professionals with road crews from the county, heavy
equipment operators, professionals from the transportation department. As I dug in
more and began to use books, the Internet, and meetings with road maintenance
professionals, I found out that I was one cause of washboards. I drive a small
compact truck with small tires. I found out that washboarding is caused mostly by
vehicles like mine with small tires and light suspensions. A greater contribution is
speed. I don’t contribute this way as I keep my speed below 25. High speed
increases both tire force and bouncing. Fast moving vehicles, therefore, quicken
the formation of corrugations (technical term for washboarding) and increase their
depth.
Entrada has 12 miles of roads with many different types of road base, from sandy
soil to hard packed clay. Each different road bed material reacts differently to the
driving on it. Some areas washboard quickly, while others are not impacted very
much at all. It is impossible for our road maintenance grading to stop washboarding
when the road base will not support the maintenance effort. The road can begin
washboarding hours later after grading.
soil to hard packed clay. Each different road bed material reacts differently to the
driving on it. Some areas washboard quickly, while others are not impacted very
much at all. It is impossible for our road maintenance grading to stop washboarding
when the road base will not support the maintenance effort. The road can begin
washboarding hours later after grading.
From a Tech Transfer paper1 from the University of Berkeley, I gleaned that moisture
was also a big problem. Welcome to Arizona! The paper acknowledged that even in
a few days washboarding can begin in both low traffic or high traffic areas. The paper
also notes how important it is to have good road base in order to minimize
washboarding.
was also a big problem. Welcome to Arizona! The paper acknowledged that even in
a few days washboarding can begin in both low traffic or high traffic areas. The paper
also notes how important it is to have good road base in order to minimize
washboarding.
What is the answer? 1. Slow Down! 2. Slow Down! 3. Slow Down!
Dust palliatives added to the road base will cause it to bind together better and allow
the road base to be re-bladed, and will minimize washboarding. Improving the road
base by bringing in material where the road base does not hold up to maintenance is
another option. The Mann test area, with three different dust palliatives over material
that was brought in, will allow us to see what we can do, since we cannot control the
moisture in Arizona. We can all drive slower to do our part.
the road base to be re-bladed, and will minimize washboarding. Improving the road
base by bringing in material where the road base does not hold up to maintenance is
another option. The Mann test area, with three different dust palliatives over material
that was brought in, will allow us to see what we can do, since we cannot control the
moisture in Arizona. We can all drive slower to do our part.
Facts: Washboarding is caused by:
1. Speed, rapid acceleration, and de-acceleration;
2. Smaller vehicles with light suspensions;
4. Bad road base.
No matter how good the maintenance activity is, without good base material and
the addition of soil binders, you will never stop washboarding.
the addition of soil binders, you will never stop washboarding.
I invite everyone to visit the web sites that I have noted below. I would also thank the
road departments of Maricopa County, Pima County, State of Arizona, Federal Parks
and Recreation, and City of Tucson and US department of Transportation for
answering a lot of questions.
road departments of Maricopa County, Pima County, State of Arizona, Federal Parks
and Recreation, and City of Tucson and US department of Transportation for
answering a lot of questions.
1 Washboard or Corduroy effect due to travel of automobiles over dirt and
graveled road. Ray Treasher, Ellwood Wilson. Science Vol. 67 #1737 (April
1928)
graveled road. Ray Treasher, Ellwood Wilson. Science Vol. 67 #1737 (April
1928)
When is the next road project?
The next project is scheduled for the 20 through 24 January 2010. The project is
to grade the roads of Entrada. Volunteers are needed!!
to grade the roads of Entrada. Volunteers are needed!!
Pima County Resources
The documents listed below are copies of resources available through the
Pima County Flood Control Office. All are in Adobe Acrobat PDF format.
Pima County Flood Control Office. All are in Adobe Acrobat PDF format.
| Robert Tappe |
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Your Road Committee Volunteers at Work
Save our Roads - Please Slow Down
Al Karsch operating the Sheep Foot Packer
Phil Bridgeford on the Grader
John Averill With the Water Truck
Roxanne Terrrible with Hydration Supplies
Joe Terrible Operating the Pneumatic Packer
Cathy Mittendorf and Hydration Supplies
Chris Nicholson Driving a Water Truck
Applying Water
Grading the Road
Applying Water
Joe Terrible Driving the Water Truck
Kolb Road Culvert Repairs
Welcome to a road committee dedicated and excited about the future of EPOA roads.
Yes we finally have a plan! We have set goals for stabilizing our roads as well as addressing dust issues. This
process is timely and expense. However, as a volunteer group we have presently saved hundreds of thousands
of dollars in labor expenses. Without the help of a select few, the reconstructive process would not be possible.
EPOA obtained outside bids in late 2008 for basic road grading. The cost escalated from previous years. The
cost in 2007 was $8600. The 2008-2009 was estimated at over $14,000 per grading with no hope of any type
of reconstructive road stabilization. Furthermore, the quotes did not address dust issues. The road committee
worked diligently and considered past road grading projects in factoring the urgent need to fix our roads. The
Road Committee determined price cost for job results were no longer expectable. So The Road Committee
decided to take action. We are excited to inform EPOA residents about the future of reconstructed roads.
The reconstructive plan is: create drainage and establish a 3-1 slope (better known as a crowned road). The
result is water shed. This process was never created when EPOA roads were established. As a result the
roads reached proportional erosion and had major flood issues. An action plan was established. The Road
Committee decided to reconstruct two miles of Wilmot road. We rented a bull dozer, grader, water trucks and a
compacter to create bar-ditches and to establish a defined crowned road. This process has provided results.
We now see water drain in areas never seen before. Furthermore, water no longer sits on the road. Equally
important, this process has reduced dust, significantly.
Next action of reconstruction is! Installing culvert extensions will establish a more defined road and create a
free water flow for congested up and down stream areas.
Currently, we are on stage two of reconstruction. During the weekend of June 13th, the team began fixing
existing culvert pipes and installing new culverts in problem areas.
Problem areas are a must fix with culverts. As informed about recently constructed bar ditches and crowns
established, we now have free flowing water, which leads to existing washes. These wash areas need culverts
for two reasons. First and most important, culverts drain excess water which may lead to flooding. Second,
culverts help maintain our road quality as well as stabilize road surface. Failing to keep water from the road
surface results in major backflow as well as erosion and deterioration of reconstructed roads. Finally, the
reconstructive process is working because of the countless hours and dedication of volunteers, combined with
funding from the EPOA.
Our next phase of reconstruction is to purchase dirt and apply the material in areas that are scarce and require
additional resources to buildup the roads. EPOA has many areas where additional material is required. The
only alternative is purchasing materials from external sources. EPOA has been fortunate in areas like Wilmot
road, where plentiful material, was excavated to construct existing road bases. However, Mann and Kolb roads
are lacking in materials that require external purchases. The road committee has worked hard to obtain
competitive material prices in the last six months. We are committed to consider what is best for EPOA
residents.
Finally, the last action of reconstruction is working on the sub-base (nine to eleven miles), of roads. Depending
on circumstances, we may spend additional time reconstructing certain areas and skipping other areas until a
later date. However, we will (fairly and respectfully) give each road the needed attention they deserve. “Let me
emphasize an important factor, we are no longer calling it grading, we are reconstructing and stabilizing our
roads.” With each phase, our goal is to work the sub-base, stabilize and maintain compatibility and minimize
dust. You will see the roads being scarified for mixture and revitalizing of deteriorated surfaces. This process is
a must for the success of EPOA road.
Once all the previous phases are complete, we will apply dust abatement on nine miles of road. This will be
applied only on completion of stable road bases. Without the proper road base, the association would finance
an endless expense, due to high maintenance cost.
Our vision and goals for EPOA is to complete the work phases within the next 3 to 5 years. The combination of
labor, time and revenue impacts the schedule. We are fortunate to have volunteers to provide the labor.
However, time and money are the biggest influencing factors on all phases. We schedule projects every six to
eight weeks. The labor time and equipment rental investment is usually 40 to 50 hours, per project. At the rate
of time allocated, 3 to 5 years is an adequate calculation for completion. Association assessments provide the
funding for our projects. EPOA has approximately Sixty five thousand dollars per year allocated towards roads.
Our current average cost per project is eight to ten thousand, depending on equipment rental and material
costs. With all factors considered, we are funded to complete about 6 to 8 projects a year. With this in mind,
the 6 to 8 projects a year, calculate to the 3 to 5 year completion rate. Equally important our association dues
will not be raised.
The road committee does see light at the end of the tunnel. We have worked really hard to plan, reconstruct, as
well as stabilize our roads. Our goals are being met. We believe in our vision and the future of our EPOA
roads. With your support, we can accomplish the unthinkable. The last year has been amazing and this year
has been even better. Our roads are now in better shape and last longer without corrugation. The road
committee thanks you for your support. If you would like to be part of this incredible vision and impact our future,
please contact Phil Bridgford at 404-9555 or 578-9069.
Please Drive SLOW!!!!!
Sincerely,
Philip Bridgford
EPOA Road Committee Chair
Yes we finally have a plan! We have set goals for stabilizing our roads as well as addressing dust issues. This
process is timely and expense. However, as a volunteer group we have presently saved hundreds of thousands
of dollars in labor expenses. Without the help of a select few, the reconstructive process would not be possible.
EPOA obtained outside bids in late 2008 for basic road grading. The cost escalated from previous years. The
cost in 2007 was $8600. The 2008-2009 was estimated at over $14,000 per grading with no hope of any type
of reconstructive road stabilization. Furthermore, the quotes did not address dust issues. The road committee
worked diligently and considered past road grading projects in factoring the urgent need to fix our roads. The
Road Committee determined price cost for job results were no longer expectable. So The Road Committee
decided to take action. We are excited to inform EPOA residents about the future of reconstructed roads.
The reconstructive plan is: create drainage and establish a 3-1 slope (better known as a crowned road). The
result is water shed. This process was never created when EPOA roads were established. As a result the
roads reached proportional erosion and had major flood issues. An action plan was established. The Road
Committee decided to reconstruct two miles of Wilmot road. We rented a bull dozer, grader, water trucks and a
compacter to create bar-ditches and to establish a defined crowned road. This process has provided results.
We now see water drain in areas never seen before. Furthermore, water no longer sits on the road. Equally
important, this process has reduced dust, significantly.
Next action of reconstruction is! Installing culvert extensions will establish a more defined road and create a
free water flow for congested up and down stream areas.
Currently, we are on stage two of reconstruction. During the weekend of June 13th, the team began fixing
existing culvert pipes and installing new culverts in problem areas.
Problem areas are a must fix with culverts. As informed about recently constructed bar ditches and crowns
established, we now have free flowing water, which leads to existing washes. These wash areas need culverts
for two reasons. First and most important, culverts drain excess water which may lead to flooding. Second,
culverts help maintain our road quality as well as stabilize road surface. Failing to keep water from the road
surface results in major backflow as well as erosion and deterioration of reconstructed roads. Finally, the
reconstructive process is working because of the countless hours and dedication of volunteers, combined with
funding from the EPOA.
Our next phase of reconstruction is to purchase dirt and apply the material in areas that are scarce and require
additional resources to buildup the roads. EPOA has many areas where additional material is required. The
only alternative is purchasing materials from external sources. EPOA has been fortunate in areas like Wilmot
road, where plentiful material, was excavated to construct existing road bases. However, Mann and Kolb roads
are lacking in materials that require external purchases. The road committee has worked hard to obtain
competitive material prices in the last six months. We are committed to consider what is best for EPOA
residents.
Finally, the last action of reconstruction is working on the sub-base (nine to eleven miles), of roads. Depending
on circumstances, we may spend additional time reconstructing certain areas and skipping other areas until a
later date. However, we will (fairly and respectfully) give each road the needed attention they deserve. “Let me
emphasize an important factor, we are no longer calling it grading, we are reconstructing and stabilizing our
roads.” With each phase, our goal is to work the sub-base, stabilize and maintain compatibility and minimize
dust. You will see the roads being scarified for mixture and revitalizing of deteriorated surfaces. This process is
a must for the success of EPOA road.
Once all the previous phases are complete, we will apply dust abatement on nine miles of road. This will be
applied only on completion of stable road bases. Without the proper road base, the association would finance
an endless expense, due to high maintenance cost.
Our vision and goals for EPOA is to complete the work phases within the next 3 to 5 years. The combination of
labor, time and revenue impacts the schedule. We are fortunate to have volunteers to provide the labor.
However, time and money are the biggest influencing factors on all phases. We schedule projects every six to
eight weeks. The labor time and equipment rental investment is usually 40 to 50 hours, per project. At the rate
of time allocated, 3 to 5 years is an adequate calculation for completion. Association assessments provide the
funding for our projects. EPOA has approximately Sixty five thousand dollars per year allocated towards roads.
Our current average cost per project is eight to ten thousand, depending on equipment rental and material
costs. With all factors considered, we are funded to complete about 6 to 8 projects a year. With this in mind,
the 6 to 8 projects a year, calculate to the 3 to 5 year completion rate. Equally important our association dues
will not be raised.
The road committee does see light at the end of the tunnel. We have worked really hard to plan, reconstruct, as
well as stabilize our roads. Our goals are being met. We believe in our vision and the future of our EPOA
roads. With your support, we can accomplish the unthinkable. The last year has been amazing and this year
has been even better. Our roads are now in better shape and last longer without corrugation. The road
committee thanks you for your support. If you would like to be part of this incredible vision and impact our future,
please contact Phil Bridgford at 404-9555 or 578-9069.
Please Drive SLOW!!!!!
Sincerely,
Philip Bridgford
EPOA Road Committee Chair
January 5, 2009
Board of Directors
Help Please! I am a horseback rider and travel our roads often and I’m being
subjected to rude drivers who either don’t slow down or move safely to the other side
of the road while they pass me or my horse. An exboard member honked at me and
peeled out in front of me - a rude guy in a red toyota pickup honked at me while
speeding right past my horse. Then a week ago a lady in a red suburban didn’t slow
down or stop for me while I was riding on Mann with my cattle dogs - she didn’t stop
and instead ran over my young dog and killed it. I am devastated and can’t believe
people in our area are so disrespectful for horses and dogs on our roads. What if it a
child walking home or playing? I’m not sure some of these drivers would even slow
down for children or joggers. What can we do please to make it safe on our roads? I
ride at different times of the day and try to be courteous and get my horse and dog off
the side of the road or upon the bank where possible. I am very saddened at having
lost my sweet little dog in such a cruel wreckless incident and I’m out a great little
companion and a lot of money! The wreckless driver didn’t even offer to pay for my
little dog. In the future if I get license plate numbers would that do me any good either
to turn into the Association or the Sheriff’s department? Could the board please do
what you can to help out in the future for myself and others who ride and use our
roads fro horseback riding. I would hope and pray these careless and disrespectful
drivers would SLOW DOWN and use safety while using and sharing our roads.
Thanks In Advance
(Name withheld)
P.S.
I’m not alone in this request or issue and sure other hikers and horseback riders
ahve encountered similar situations
PS
Recently while my co rider laid in the middle of Kolb Rd after falling off her horse - a
car sped by - did not stop - and let the rider EAT DUST while injured and waiting for a
n ambulance to pick her up -
Please help - what is wrong with some people/neighbors???
Board of Directors
Help Please! I am a horseback rider and travel our roads often and I’m being
subjected to rude drivers who either don’t slow down or move safely to the other side
of the road while they pass me or my horse. An exboard member honked at me and
peeled out in front of me - a rude guy in a red toyota pickup honked at me while
speeding right past my horse. Then a week ago a lady in a red suburban didn’t slow
down or stop for me while I was riding on Mann with my cattle dogs - she didn’t stop
and instead ran over my young dog and killed it. I am devastated and can’t believe
people in our area are so disrespectful for horses and dogs on our roads. What if it a
child walking home or playing? I’m not sure some of these drivers would even slow
down for children or joggers. What can we do please to make it safe on our roads? I
ride at different times of the day and try to be courteous and get my horse and dog off
the side of the road or upon the bank where possible. I am very saddened at having
lost my sweet little dog in such a cruel wreckless incident and I’m out a great little
companion and a lot of money! The wreckless driver didn’t even offer to pay for my
little dog. In the future if I get license plate numbers would that do me any good either
to turn into the Association or the Sheriff’s department? Could the board please do
what you can to help out in the future for myself and others who ride and use our
roads fro horseback riding. I would hope and pray these careless and disrespectful
drivers would SLOW DOWN and use safety while using and sharing our roads.
Thanks In Advance
(Name withheld)
P.S.
I’m not alone in this request or issue and sure other hikers and horseback riders
ahve encountered similar situations
PS
Recently while my co rider laid in the middle of Kolb Rd after falling off her horse - a
car sped by - did not stop - and let the rider EAT DUST while injured and waiting for a
n ambulance to pick her up -
Please help - what is wrong with some people/neighbors???
| A Letter From A Member About Speeding |
| Joe Terrible |
| Our our first road project of 2010 is scheduled for next week, 1-20 thru 1-24. Those who are not working, we could use you for traffic control as well as rock duty. This road project will consist of stabilizing roads, defining bar ditches and creating additional drainage. |
During our meeting on Wednesday January 13th, we discussed the creation
of speed bumps. This was recommend by A.D.E.Q. for fugitive dust
issues. In the next couple of weeks I will be inquiring information, such as
cost and placement.
We also discussed establishing a closed gated community within E.P.O.A.
This would help keep out unwanted recreational vehicles causing fugitive
dust and unsafe driving condition, further protecting our children and those
who enjoy riding horses and family walks.
of speed bumps. This was recommend by A.D.E.Q. for fugitive dust
issues. In the next couple of weeks I will be inquiring information, such as
cost and placement.
We also discussed establishing a closed gated community within E.P.O.A.
This would help keep out unwanted recreational vehicles causing fugitive
dust and unsafe driving condition, further protecting our children and those
who enjoy riding horses and family walks.
